Kenshiro vs 23 budokai goku

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<big><big><big>NO MUSÓ TENSEI, NO BUKUJUSTU NO KHH</big></big></big>

<big><big><big><big><big>VERSUS</big></big></big></big></big>

 

[Son Gokū]

I'm confused. Is this sparring? A non-serious fight? To the death?
If he did nothing wrong, I don't wanna kill him, but I would if I was in that situation...

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If taking OBD calcs at any value, Kenshiro likely has better speed at his peak, so he may be able to strike Goku's Keiraku Hiko. However, it's unlikely Saiyans have the same pressure points as humans, as implied by Goku's fight with Namu. As much as I hate to say it, Kenshiro's going to be reliving his first battle with Souther here.

 

[Pointer]

If taking OBD calcs at any value, Kenshiro likely has better speed at his peak, so he may be able to strike Goku's Keiraku Hiko. However, it's unlikely Saiyans have the same pressure points as humans, as implied by Goku's fight with Namu. As much as I hate to say it, Kenshiro's going to be reliving his first battle with Souther here.

Dont forget this is end of HNK kenshiro the one who made Kaioh his bitch


Btw Goku has human like body...and if that s true the pressure points may be located the same spot.

And besides it was stated by Kasumi that some pressure points can not be located elsewhere ( and since goku has human like body....it could be easily assumed kenshiro would overcome this pretty easily)

Besides why do you think Kenshiro is faster than Goku.....this goku is damn fast. Kenshiro's speed feats are impressive also....but is that really enough?

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku's as much alien as Zarbon or Reacoom are. Being humanly shaped doesn't mean they have the same physiology, as no human sprouts tails and turns into a 50 foot ape upon looking at the moon.

He's referring to the fact that Namu struck what he thought would be vitals of Goku's body then concluded he must've missed after Goku got up from it despite his prediction that he'd be out for several days. Could just be due to Goku's greater durability, but it's a viable theory that he doesn't have the same weak spots that humans do.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Dont forget this is end of HNK kenshiro the one who made Kaioh his bitch
Btw Goku has human like body...and if that s true the pressure points may be located the same spot.
And besides it was stated by Kasumi that some pressure points can not be located elsewhere ( and since goku has human like body....it could be easily assumed kenshiro would overcome this pretty easily)
Besides why do you think Kenshiro is faster than Goku.....this goku is damn fast. Kenshiro's speed feats are impressive also....but is that really enough?

As Kenshi already mentioned, Goku's internal physiology is likely entirely different to a human based on the Namu example. Iirc, Namu also mentioned hitting his pressure point, though that may have just been Viz's translation.

As for a speed comparision, can't find the calcs at the moment, but one for EoS Kenshiro's casual movement was listed as around Mach 60, whereas Goku/Piccolo's 23rd Budokai reaction speed was listed as around Mach 42. The latter may have been upgraded to Mach 100+ iirc, so w/e.

Anyway, feat-wise, the highest thing for top tiers like Kenshiro, Kaioh and Raoh was Raoh's Hokuto Gotensho, which calc-wise is about City - Large City level. In other words, not much better than Weighted Goku at this point. Kenshiro's only real chance if he can't strike Goku's Keiraku Hiko normally is a full body attack like Tensho Honretsu. Otherwise, he's gonna lose.

 

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Dont forget this is end of HNK kenshiro the one who made Kaioh his bitch
Btw Goku has human like body...and if that s true the pressure points may be located the same spot.
And besides it was stated by Kasumi that some pressure points can not be located elsewhere ( and since goku has human like body....it could be easily assumed kenshiro would overcome this pretty easily)
Besides why do you think Kenshiro is faster than Goku.....this goku is damn fast. Kenshiro's speed feats are impressive also....but is that really enough?

As Kenshi already mentioned, Goku's internal physiology is likely entirely different to a human based on the Namu example. Iirc, Namu also mentioned hitting his pressure point, though that may have just been Viz's translation.

As for a speed comparision, can't find the calcs at the moment, but one for EoS Kenshiro's casual movement was listed as around Mach 60, whereas Goku/Piccolo's 23rd Budokai reaction speed was listed as around Mach 42. The latter may have been upgraded to Mach 100+ iirc, so w/e.

Anyway, feat-wise, the highest thing for top tiers like Kenshiro, Kaioh and Raoh was Raoh's Hokuto Gotensho, which calc-wise is about City - Large City level. In other words, not much better than Weighted Goku at this point. Kenshiro's only real chance if he can't strike Goku's Keiraku Hiko normally is a full body attack like Tensho Honretsu. Otherwise, he's gonna lose.

I doubt Goku's body characteristic was not much like human

Simply because AT aint think about saiyans and stuff back then when namu tried that pressure point thing.

remember goku was meant to be a human up until raditz


Besides....its not like Gohan or Trunks are more different then regular humans..... in body characteristic and stuff

 

[Papasmurf]

Just because the Saiyan concept wasn't explained until about half the series had passed doesn't mean it should be taken with a grain of salt. It's barely what you could call a retcon for one thing, since as early as like volume 2 Oolong already speculated he could be an alien. Kenshiro's Shura Island nationality is about 99% retcon-esque but being presented as his origin, it's pointless to dispute it because the series presented it as fact.

Furthermore, him having greater natural durability and strength than humans, his seemingly unique transformation and tail weakness, and being picked up as an infant in the wilderness actually fit with the Saiyan backstory. The dispute is moot imo.