VEGETA THE 1st SUPER SAIYAN 2 (SSJ2) (Sûpâ Saiyajin Tsû)

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Hmmm okay lets see.
WhatIF.......
We take away Goku as primary motivation, replace that with family as primary motivation & Vegeta becoming pure hearted with zero malice, treachery, or evil intent towards any Z-Fighters.
Toss in Vegeta reaching SuperSaiyan 2 before Gohan.


How do you think the events of DragonBall Z would play out for Vegeta & how powerful would he become by DragonBall Z's end ?
 

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He would get killed by FP Perfect Cell if this is CG.
Gohan deserved the win more than he did
 

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He lost to Cell twice, he didn't deserve a win after all that gloating he did.
 

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Does Vegeta get stronger by changing his goal?
 

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ahill1 said:
Does Vegeta get stronger by changing his goal?
I don't know, that's the big question.
Would he get stronger if he was more concerned over his family then Goku.
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Battle of the Gods & DragonBall Super suggests he has that type of potential even though it seemed alot less in Super, which i do like the Battle of the Gods version way more.
 

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Super actually had lightning for SSJ2 so I prefer that one :troll2
 

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He wouldn't get any stronger for SSJ2 overall, but rage boosts are unstable factors we can't rely on in any given fight. Also depends on when he goes SSJ2. In the Rosat? During the CG? After Cell kills Trunks?

Even if he fucked up Cell to vomit up 18, and the same shit played out, SPC would wreck him easily. Or he just self destructs on Earth, probably after Vegeta blasts him in anger and the same thing would happen, he'd die, but Cell would still come back.

Or would he? Thinking of that shit, do you think blasting Cell mid self destruct powering up would cause the blast to be weaker, but still be enough to destroy the planet or what? What if Cell is completely incinerated by a combination of the ki blast, his own explosion, and a planet much bigger than King Kais exploding in his face? It's possible he only survived because King Kais planet was much smaller than Earth.
 

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Drock said:
He wouldn't get any stronger for SSJ2 overall, but rage boosts are unstable factors we can't rely on in any given fight. Also depends on when he goes SSJ2. In the Rosat? During the CG? After Cell kills Trunks?
It's not a matter of relying on them as much as Rage-Boosts shows how much more potential is there.

The difference between Cell killing FutureTrunks & Kicking LordBeerus's butt was years of training.

That Rage-Boosts shows how much more they're capable of at that point, how much more of an increase they've gained & how much more potential strength they have available.

Like say SuperSaiyan Vegeta reached level 10 at that point, a Rage-Boost shows as a SuperSaiyan he still has the potential to reach level 11

A Rage-Boost isn't going to increase beyond what you're capable of when it's not available at all.

After so much training fighting LordBeerus as a SuperSaiyan 2 Vegeta was at level 20, after his Rage-Boost it shows as a SuperSaiyan 2 Vegeta has the potential to increase his SuperSaiyan 2 level to 30 or 40.
Vegeta has so much more potential at a SuperSaiyan 2 level to be stronger than at that point Goku's SuperSaiyan 3.

If Vegeta trained then he could keep that SuperSaiyan 2 level of 30 or 40 he temporarily gained from the Rage-Boost against LordBeerus.

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Even if he fucked up Cell to vomit up 18, and the same shit played out, SPC would wreck him easily. Or he just self destructs on Earth, probably after Vegeta blasts him in anger and the same thing would happen, he'd die, but Cell would still come back.
Remember FinalFlash ?
If Vegeta reached SuperSaiyan 2 before Gohan, then a FinalFlash from SuperSaiyan 2 Vegeta would wipe out PerfectCell completely.

FinalFlash would have alot faster charge & be stronger.

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Or would he? Thinking of that shit, do you think blasting Cell mid self destruct powering up would cause the blast to be weaker, but still be enough to destroy the planet or what? What if Cell is completely incinerated by a combination of the ki blast, his own explosion, and a planet much bigger than King Kais exploding in his face? It's possible he only survived because King Kais planet was much smaller than Earth.

Did King Kai's planet blow up ?
People says his planet has a high durability.
 

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Yeah, his planet blew up. They showed it. His planet returning in BoG/Super is a plothole, or he just wished for his planet back with the DB's.
 

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If Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2, he would still lose to Full-Power Cell imo. I have SSj2 being a 4x boost and Vegeta being at ~60-66% of FPSSj Goku. Doing the math, Vegeta would wind up about equal to Cell

Goku - 5
Gohan - 6
SSj2 Kid Gohan - 24
Vegeta - 3
FP Cell - 12
SSj2 Vegeta - 12

Even though they're equals, Cell would win due to the known reasons.

Out of topic: SSj2 Kid Gohan is the one who deserved to become a SSj2 the most imo
 

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Yeah, there's no way Vegeta is winning with a mere Final Flash at the power level he'd be at. Not enough to incinerate all of Cell.
 

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Drock said:
Yeah, his planet blew up. They showed it. His planet returning in BoG/Super is a plothole, or he just wished for his planet back with the DB's.

Kaioshins can create planets too apparently, so they could just ask them.
 

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Yeah, either way it is a plothole simply because they never bothered explaining it. Woulda taken 2 whole seconds too!
 

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I guess they expected everyone to put two and two together, since Kaio is still dead and Cell clearly existed.
 

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Drock said:
Yeah, his planet blew up. They showed it. His planet returning in BoG/Super is a plothole, or he just wished for his planet back with the DB's.
Oh okay.
I think Cell blowing up was pretty much scattering pieces outward, taking a direct focused hit.

HUEBR_Tapion said:
If Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2, he would still lose to Full-Power Cell imo. I have SSj2 being a 4x boost and Vegeta being at ~60-66% of FPSSj Goku. Doing the math, Vegeta would wind up about equal to Cell

Goku - 5
Gohan - 6
SSj2 Kid Gohan - 24
Vegeta - 3
FP Cell - 12
SSj2 Vegeta - 12

Even though they're equals, Cell would win due to the known reasons.

That's IF Vegeta continued down the same path.
Who knows what type of motivation family might provide.

HUEBR_Tapion said:
Out of topic: SSj2 Kid Gohan is the one who deserved to become a SSj2 the most imo
I respect your opinion but i think KidGohan deserves to be kicked into outerspace without a space suit.

To me Gohan deserves absolutely nothing but a serious revamping or be permanently destroyed.

Drock said:
Yeah, there's no way Vegeta is winning with a mere Final Flash at the power level he'd be at. Not enough to incinerate all of Cell.
Vegeta's SuperSaiyan 2nd Grade was more than enough, it only hit part of PerfectCell.
A direct hit would've vaporized him.
 
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