Yeah, but no one in the fandom takes them seriously.
And yet they consider the DBS Anime as canon
. Personally, I don't. In fact, I'm beginning to think that DB + Jaco + Interview are the only things that are canon.
Dumb shit like Pikkon effortlessly defeating Cell yet being on par with SSJ Goku and Yamcha effortlessly defeating Olibu who isn't far from Pikkon/SSJ Goku or Kid Boo being the strongest Boo are prime examples of Toei's failure at powerscaling.
Knew about it.
Not sure if that would make it canon as it was mostly just a gag line.
Now you're being picky. This being a funny line doesn't keep it from being canon. And Why Goku would refer to a moment that never happened anyways ? It doesn't make sense, does it ?
Piccolo stood no chance and was forced to use a technique that brought him well past his limits. All Piccolo showed was that he's good at defending himself against a beaten down Frost but offensively he couldn't do shit. Piccolo only needs to be stronger than Base Saiyans, whom were retconned back to Boo saga levels.
That part is simply your opinion, don't state it as if it was a fact. The rest is fair enough.
Which is why making Base Saiyans stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks or worse god tier is impossible.
Everything is possible with Toei, unfortunately. Why would you accept that Goku (M13) is somehow stronger than Mystic Gohan and the others, but have a harder time doing a similar thing with Super ?
That's the kind of dumb shit I am talking about. Gohan is a slacker. he can't be much stronger than ROF otherwise all the statements about him not fighting anymore make no sense.
never made sense. Which is one of the reasons I don't consider Anime to be canon. And Gohan did train with Piccolo, and might have trained afterwards. After all, he did said he wanted to become powerful to be able to protect what he hold dear.
I can accept Roshi's power up
it's been many years since the Saiyan arc and even though it isn't in any way implied he's been training it's not impossible.
Fine, let's just say for one second that this is true...what kind of training he has done ? When he has been training ? Why nobody said anything about it ? No evidence, no foreshadowing, yet you're telling that it makes sense...
Yamcha is also probably super rusty right now which also contributes to how Roshi surpassed him.
So, you're telling that it's logical that 12 years without training are enough for another slacker, who previous trained his whole life to get at 139+, to surpass him without any problem
That's one of the basis of my theory. We accept Beerus ever-so retconning power level, so why can't we accept they did the same thing with Goku/Vegeta?
This is something that we've always been accepting with
. They always messed with the powerscaling in all productions. Fat Boo, Piccolo and SSJ Gohan being anywhere near as powerful as SSJ3 Gotenks (Potaufeu arc) is something that I already consider a retcon. So, you could say that people are already accepting a retcon. Just not the one that you want them to accept. As for me, I have no difficulty to "accept" it, the Anime is non-canon to me.
I mean the U6 fighters (excluding Hit) aren't very noteworthy to Goku and Vegeta, I would think if the whole team was at god tier that would be something incredible to them, especially a young Saiyan like Cabba reaching that level in base. That would make him a prodigy among prodigies.
Don't call him Cabba !!! It's Kyabe !
On a more serious note, Vegeta did encouraged him to do surpass him. Their apparent lack of interest might be justified by the fact that they weren't using their full power. They prefer to fight an opponent that pushes them to their limits, such as Hit.