How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby SuperSaiyan2 » 16 Feb 2017, 18:57

SSJ Vegeta: 100
SSJ Goku: 96
SSJ Trunks: 92
Piccolo: 77

Kamiccolo: 154
17: 150
Weighted Kamiccolo: 135
18: 125
Gingertown Imperfect Cell: 110
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Vertical » 16 Feb 2017, 19:05

Kamiccolo: 135
17: 135
[Weighted] Kamiccolo: 131
18: 128
[Post-Gingernuts] Cell: 120

SSJ Vegeta: 100
SSJ Goku: 99
SSJ Trunks: 90
Piccolo: 80


...something like that.

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby ahill1 » 16 Feb 2017, 19:12

I'd have pretty much the same as SuperSaiyan2. I like to view Kamiccolo's boost as 2x.

Piccolo 75
Trunks SSJ 87.5
Goku SSJ 96
Vegeta SSJ 100
Ginger Cell 115
Andorid 18 135
Weighted Kamiccolo 135
Android 17 150
Kamiccolo (FP) 150 ~ 155

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby SuperSaiyan2 » 16 Feb 2017, 19:21

I'd have pretty much the same as SuperSaiyan2.
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby ahill1 » 16 Feb 2017, 19:52

What?

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby SuperSaiyan2 » 16 Feb 2017, 19:55

I don't like when you agree with me.
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Big Poppa Pump » 17 Feb 2017, 03:23

I can't get with the 2x boost anymore, not unless I nerf some gaps. I could buy Vegeta being a distant rival to Android #18 if it wasn't for Imperfect Cell being heavily implied to be stronger than him. Cell himself wasn't said to be a rival to the androids like suppressed Piccolo was, and Piccolo had a decent gap on Cell. Even pushing non-merged Piccolo up to, like, 75% of Vegeta, that doesn't leave me with enough room to allow Cell and suppressed Kamiccolo to breathe...all while still keeping Vegeta around Future 18/17 and that whole mess.

#17 - 100
#18 - 90
Piccolo - 88
Cell - 75
Vegeta - 65
Goku - 63
Trunks - 60
Piccolo - 50

That shit seems wayyyyy too small and clumped together.^

Damn, I know I had a good post about this on Shinden Reborn where the numbers actually worked out pretty well, but I can't find it.

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Mikey » 17 Feb 2017, 11:05

#17 - 160
#18 - 144
Piccolo - 144 (weighted)
Cell - 120
Vegeta - 100
Goku - 96
Trunks - 90
Piccolo - 72
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Big Poppa Pump » 17 Feb 2017, 11:25

#17 - 160
#18 - 144
Piccolo - 144 (weighted)
Cell - 120
Vegeta - 100
Goku - 96
Trunks - 90
Piccolo - 72
You use a 2.2x boost?

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Mikey » 17 Feb 2017, 11:28

Yeah. It's more a result of just working out to be that much rather than it intentionally being 2.25x.

Ideally pre-Fusion Piccolo would be even weaker compared to the Super Saiayan, but it makes it harder to justify #20 post > #19 post.
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Super Neko Majin Z » 17 Feb 2017, 11:41

My current numbers are:

Piccolo (Kami): 100
17: 95
Piccolo (Kami, weighted): 80
Imperfect Cell: 67.5
Number 18: 67.5 (she said she was serious against Vegeta, which would put her way below 17)
Vegeta: 57.5
Goku: 52.5
Piccolo: 37.5
Trunks: 16.5 (if he'd improved even close to Piccolo's level he could've beaten the Future Androids on his own, I think)
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby SuperSaiyan2 » 17 Feb 2017, 14:14

My current numbers are:

Piccolo (Kami): 100
17: 95
Piccolo (Kami, weighted): 80
Imperfect Cell: 67.5
Number 18: 67.5 (she said she was serious against Vegeta, which would put her way below 17)
Vegeta: 57.5
Goku: 52.5
Piccolo: 37.5
Trunks: 16.5 (if he'd improved even close to Piccolo's level he could've beaten the Future Androids on his own, I think)
The thing is, only weighted Piccolo was said to rival the androids. I know you don't have Cell rivalling 17, but I'd have to think he wouldn't rival either of them.
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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby ahill1 » 17 Feb 2017, 18:02

I was thinking about Piccolo's line of "whether we got too strong or not". Why would Piccolo question the androids' strength if he were way above Trunks?

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby p123 » 17 Feb 2017, 18:30

Piccolo ( Androids Saga ) can probably fight Goku and Trunks ( Trunks Saga ) decently.

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Re: How strong is Android Piccolo compared to Goku/Vegeta?

Postby Kyo » 17 Feb 2017, 18:59

Piccolo: 100
17: 99
18: 90
Piccolo weighted: 90
Cell: 77
Vegeta: 68
Goku: 66
Trunks: 60
Piccolo: 50
Goku: 35
Trunks: 31
Robo Freeza: 20


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