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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby SuperSaiyan2 » 16 Aug 2017, 10:06

They are still green? Were they spending intimate time with Pikkoro? :manabu
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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Captain Cadaver » 16 Aug 2017, 10:09

They are still green? Were they spending intimate time with Pikkoro? :manabu
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Postby Fearless 3:16 » 16 Aug 2017, 10:12

I mean their characters. :boy

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby SuperSaiyan2 » 16 Aug 2017, 10:12

Lol

I had no idea what that was from. Looked it up and wasn't disappointed. :donovan
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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Yamcha » 16 Aug 2017, 12:29

Black-Star Dragon Ball Saga- 1/10

I'll say some good things about this saga.

I liked it when Vegeta got the phone call from those guys that had Goku hostage. That's all I've got.

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Captain Cadaver » 16 Aug 2017, 20:27

Ultimate Dragon Balls Arc Average Score - 0.75/10 :cena

Now, the Baby Arc.

For what it's worth, this is the best arc in GT by far. The M2 segment alone helped increase the scale much like previous arcs of DB and Z with Rild surpassing Boo in his base form alone and Baby's parasitic control being quite a unique way of a crafty foe competing with the far stronger heroes. Baby in himself is unique in being perhaps the most justified villain in the entire franchise other than Namek Arc Vegeta, as all he wished to do was avenge and revive his race, a backstory that also links back to previously established, yet not fleshed out lore and done far better than with the Hatchiyack OVA. Alongside this, Super Saiyan 4 also links in well with Toei's previously established lore such as Golden Oozaru being a good throwback to Vegeta's imagination of a Super Saiyan in the anime, with SS4's design helping show the primal return to Saiyan routes. Golden Oozaru Vegeta-Baby further aids in this arc's focus on Saiyans and Tsufurians due to it being the most pure display of Baby's intentional irony of using the Saiyans' power to exterminate them. His use of mind controlling the cast was a unique way of utilising the trope of "turning the heroes' power against them" trope that had been used in the Cell and Boo Arcs, even if it being the third time makes it more of a negative than a positive.
However, there was still a lot of flaws to this arc. For instance, Elder Kaioshin knowing of how to unlock Super Saiyan 4 when he knew so little of Super Saiyans he referred to them as "Super whateveritis" during the Boo Arc. The Sugorokukan segment was absolutely pointless, with the characters met during it having no role afterwards, meaning nothing would've changed by just having Kibitoshin successfully Kai Kai Goku to the Kaioshinkai. Also, the ending is yet again one in which only Goku can be relevant. The arc's themes also seem to not live up to their potential, since for what's essentially a race war between the Saiyans and Tsufurians, nobody seems to acknowledge Baby's point of view, with his role as a sole survivor of his race being little different to how Vegeta and Goku were during the Freeza Arc, but obviously there can't be any empathy towards villains in Toei works. Obviously Baby wasn't a villain who could be redeemed, but no mediation from the heroes on Baby's character did make what could've been good theme exploration in this arc feel redundant.

Score - 3.5/10

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Fearless 3:16 » 17 Aug 2017, 04:02

Baby Arc is indeed GT's best arc. Baby is probably the first villain that has a great reason why he wants to attack the Saiyans in the first place. We've got SSjin4 which is arguably the best SSjin forms ever, Vegeta as a villain again but in different concept, everybody were against Goku which is breath of fresh air. The cons are, the arc should've been longer and utilizing Gohan and the others more, Pan annoying as always, buries Majuub, the fights were boring.

5/10

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Idea of Gaslight » 17 Aug 2017, 12:44

A pretty terrible arc that had the potential to be somewhat morally complex but suffers from horrendous execution. Baby's grudge against the Saiyans would've been handled better had he shown some slight good to his character like a "fallen hero" type should, but his screaming, whiny nature and the antilogic of his grudge somehow being greater toward Goku (a low-class amnesiac) than Vegeta, bring his villainy down completely. Most of his kills (attempted kills) somehow end in futility even when the main character isn't involved (e.g. failing to kill Piccolo and the half Saiyans), not to mention trying to kill Piccolo would completely ruin his plan had it succeeded :cena

Sugoroku space and such are garbage of such magnitude that sucking ass doesn't even begin to describe those episodes, and the only half decent fight scenes are Oob vs. Baby (still shit) or SSJ4 Goku vs. Baby, which are still filled with cringey attempts to pass off as "DBZ" that fail due to awful dialogue and Bleach-like bragging at every turn.

Despite the arc's many faults it would've saved GT from being the trainwreck it is had it ended here, with the Golden Oozaru/SSJ4 transformation at least being far more creative than AT's recent line of color change transformations, and despite the overabundance of shitty base Saiyan fight scenes and power inconsistencies (Dende scaring Kibitoshin, etc.) there was some actual tension in the later stages of the arc unlike 90% of the evil dragons or the atrocity that is Super #17.

So 2/10 I guess.
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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Captain Cadaver » 17 Aug 2017, 15:44

Baby Arc Average Score - 3.5/10

Now the Super #17 Arc.

To start off with it's positives, the focus on villains returning from Hell was pulled off far better than in Movie 12, wherein they were all a one minute cameo. Having #18 have some plot relevance was nice and seeing her be essential support in taking down Super #17 was more original than most arellc climaxes. However, that's where the positives end.

The arc was a trainwreck from it's inception. We're immediately told that Gero intended #17 to be stronger than Cell, yet Vegeta interrupted his upgrade. Not only does this contradict #17's purpose (being a plot device to further Cell's story), but also is debunked by Future #17 not having this problem and being weaker than his present self.
Even ignoring that, the amount that it borrowed from the Cell Arc and Movie 12 make it completely unoriginal. Goku being trapped in Hell was also stupid, considering Boo and Gotenks were capable of breaking holes in dimensions and Super #17's weaknes, whilst a good idea on paper, was executed so poorly when seeing that characters who were ants to him could kill him through it. Easily the worst story arc in DB/Z/GT/Super.

Score - 1/10

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Fearless 3:16 » 20 Aug 2017, 06:23

Nothing is really memorable on this arc other than #18 and that's because Krillin got owned again. :Krillin

1/10

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Captain Cadaver » 21 Aug 2017, 11:01

Super #17 Arc Overall Score - 1/10

Now, the Evil Dragons Arc.

This arc had potential at first. Although the premise of having a villain that the Zet-Senshi's exploits inadvertently created had already been done (and far better) with Cell, the way in which the Evil Dragons were handled at least didn't seem to be borrowing heavily from previous arcs like the other GT Arcs did. However, this is completely bastardised once the fight with Yi Xing Long starts. Not only is Galu's power up the same as in the Baby Arc, but once Gogeta is formed, it becomes a Boo Arc ripoff.

It also doesn't help that characterisation was very poor in this arc. For one, Elder Kaioshin knowing about the Minus Energy, yet only giving the cast a cryptic clue about something so dangerous beforehand was stupid. We also have no reason as to why only Goku and Pan went hunting for the Dragons prior to the fight with Yi, since it would've resulted in far more variety in the fights. The execution may have made the Dragons (aside from Liang) too strong for any of the supporting cast other than Oob or Vegeta to help out against, but it'd still make sense for them to be there instead of showing up just for the last battle. It also doesn't help that this arc's final villain had absolutely no personality and just looked cool.

The arc did at least have a more solid ending than the Boo Arc, though that's not enough to provide it much points when it ended up being a poor man's version of that arc during the final battle.

Score - 1.5/10

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Fearless 3:16 » 21 Aug 2017, 11:19

2nd best arc of the series. Great potential, but failed to execute it. The beginning of the arc felt so promising as we could probably see Goku, Vegeta and Gohan might join on hunting the SDs but fuck Pan has to ruin it everything and it ruined the hype of the arc. It also doesn't help that they allowed some comedy gags around there when the arc felt a big deal. So in short, BitchPan ruined the first beginning of the arc.

The battle against Nouva Shenron where it started to feel seriously and Goku meet his match. Then Syn Shenron arrived and completely destroyed Goku and the Eng dub even make it worse where Syn's power up destroyed the city which amazed Goku. Goku surpassing his limit was cool, Syn turning into Omega was cool, SSjin4 Vegeta was cool, the almighty Gogeta was good but not great and that's because how he acted so childish and I know he had reason for his actions but it was a ripped off Vegito/Boo fight. Then you have Goku in his base forms being so much stronger than his SSjin4 where Omega needs put a lot of effort into his attack against Goku.

The ending was cool but it didn't explain well.

5/10

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby xenos5 » 21 Aug 2017, 23:54

Haze Shenron was the absolute worst embarassment. His pollution powers made him more akin to a captain planet villain. Him and some other shadow dragons were completely pathetic.

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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Pocket-Gog~ » 22 Aug 2017, 01:17

How did the Cell Arc get the second worst score? Sheesh.
Agreed. It should be the worst.
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Re: Dragon Ball Arc Rating/Review

Postby Captain Cadaver » 22 Aug 2017, 12:35

Evil Dragons Arc Overall Score - 3.25/10

Now onto Super, with the Battle of Gods Arc.

I won't repeat most of the details I did in the movie review, so to keep it short, I'll say that the main positives are introducing a new tier and build up for the series as well as actually having Galu admit defeat, whereas the main negative is Super Saiyan God being so easy to achieve in retrospect, since 6 Saiyans just need to hold hands for one of them to get it.

As for how the Super manga's version compares, it's overall worse than the movie due to just being a rushed work that only offers the highlights of the movie. Beerus' introduction and actions are far blander than in the movie as well. The only positive I'd give it is that Beerus and Galu's Universe level feat was a far better way of conveying how far above everything before them God Ki really is. Overall, it was too rushed to be a solid story, making it far inferior to the movie.

Score - 3/10

Anime-wise, we have enough to call it an actual arc, yet it has the opposite problem in being too drawn out compared to the Battle of Gods movie. Whilst the Beerus VS SSG Galu fight is a lot longer, it's also worse due to asspull power ups (Goku regenerating from the damage Beerus caused him, despite he and Vegeta never displaying this ability against later foes like Black), as well as Goku completely absorbing his SSG power into his SSJ form causing some problems with his use of the form in the current arc. Overall, it's just as bad as the manga version, if not worse.


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