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What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Super Neko Majin Z » 16 Feb 2017, 16:29

Episode Of Bardock notwithstanding, how weak can you be and still become a Super Saiyan, in your opinion?
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby -Supreme- » 16 Feb 2017, 16:32

Well... if you take the implications of SSJ Kid Trunks < Base Future Gohan seriously, then pretty damn weak. But in general I think the Namek tier of Base power is around what it takes. Vegeta thought even Goku at 60,000 could do it, but that was just guesswork.
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Fantastische Hure » 16 Feb 2017, 16:39

You don't have to have a particular level of power. Can come at random.
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Void » 16 Feb 2017, 16:41

Bardock did it over 10,000. That's clearly canon.
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby -Supreme- » 16 Feb 2017, 16:41

You don't have to have a particular level of power. Can come at random.
Would you please provide an in-universe answer for why Goku didn't transform during Krillin's death in DB vs Krillin's death in Z? :manabu

But seriously, I think you at least have to be beyond natural Saiyan limits, which is like 10,000 at most.
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby sei'taer » 16 Feb 2017, 16:53

I think it's pretty safe to say that there are no real limits

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Fantastische Hure » 16 Feb 2017, 17:24

You don't have to have a particular level of power. Can come at random.
Would you please provide an in-universe answer for why Goku didn't transform during Krillin's death in DB vs Krillin's death in Z? :manabu

But seriously, I think you at least have to be beyond natural Saiyan limits, which is like 10,000 at most.
Maybe your own personal limits?

I don't know about the in-universe question, maybe Goku is just different to other Saiyans and everyone has their own.
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby ekrolo2 » 16 Feb 2017, 17:45

Clearly not very powerful if Kid Trunks can turn into one but he's apparently beneath Base Gohan.
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Future Warrior » 16 Feb 2017, 17:51

in-universe, all the hype would at least imply a Super Saiyan would be above First Form Freeza. I'd say 50,000 for a Base Saiyan is required.

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Vertical » 16 Feb 2017, 18:02

[@Recoome] Goku > SSJ Requirement > [@Recoome] Vegeta... narrator told me so.

Let me sprinkle a little more conjecture...

SSJ becomes easier to acquire the stronger you become... and anger isn't a requirement... only a shortcut.

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby -Supreme- » 16 Feb 2017, 18:08

Are we forgetting Goku Jr? :manabu
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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Vertical » 16 Feb 2017, 18:56

What's a Goku Jr?

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby -Supreme- » 16 Feb 2017, 18:59

The legend who got beaten by some kid weaker than the farmer.

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

Postby Vertical » 16 Feb 2017, 19:08

Sounds like fanfiction to me. Some kind of derailed side-story, almost.

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Re: What's the weakest a Super Saiyan 1 can be?

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Hey Vertical, do you watch Super?
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