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They seem to be fighting evenly but then Yamcha claims to be able to beat the rest. Was he holding back until the after image?

I've brought this up before. But wanted to reiterate it since I'm watching this part of the series right now. Against 1st Form Freeza, Vegeta thinks they can win via teamwork. Against Final Form Freeza, Vegeta abandons all hope of teamwork being an option. Final Form Freeza is superior to...

Freeza Saga Krillen 200,000 Gohan 250,000 Piccolo (W/ Weights) 275,000 Piccolo (W/o Weights) 350,000 Freeza (Suppressed) 450,000 Vegeta 480,000 Freeza (Full Power) 530,000...

He seems to admit inferiority, just how strong does he assume they are? Just their current power or more? How strong is Vegeta at this time?

So we have a couple issues consistency wise here. We can realistically use a 1.33x amp for Galick Gun and Final Crash and make it work. Assuming that KKx3 Kamehameha has no amp it can work fine. Vegeta 18,000 ~Galick Gun 24,000 KKx3 Goku 24,000 ~Kamehameha 24,000 This works out fine...

Ok let’s explore this power again. So Vegeta immediately after sensu and Vegeta when fighting jeice. I got Vegeta at 40k or 45k after the immediate sensu and against Jeice at 75k

"What Blast?" King Piccolo vs Kid Goku's Kamehameha Reecome vs Gohan Imperfect Cell vs Piccolo's Light Grenade LSSJ Broly vs SSJ Goku's Kamehameha RSSJ Broly vs Super Vegeta SPC vs SSJ Vegeta Rage Blast (Does this have a name?) Should this be included since blocked? "Hey, that kind of hurt"...

Talked with @GreatSaiyaman123 before about this. Raditz is shocked that they are able to amp. He's completely befuddled by someone concentrating ki. This theme gets passed down to Vegeta and Nappa, but they seem to forget about the ki amp part of it and talk about suppression more. Is this...

I think the scouter numbers might be hurting our ability to properly interpret this segment of the story. How do we feel about Chaozu versus the Saibamen? I'll have to look into this more, but Yamcha seems to be able to go toe to toe with them, but then thinks he can take them all out. We know...

Wolf Fang Fist 1.16x All Ultimate Finishers 1.1111x Wff 2.0 1.2x Kamehameha 1.25x Super Kamehameha 1.33x Galick Gun, Final Crash, Final Burst Cannon 1.33x Light Grenade/Androids Kamehameha/ Big Bang Attack 1.5 Final Flash/ Rosat Kamehameha 3x Final Explosion 5x Let's discuss.

Nappa Saga Saibamen 1,200 Chaozu 1,250 Yamcha 1,350 Krillen 1,500 Tien 1,600 Piccolo 2,000 Tien’s Kikoho 2,400 Enraged Gohan 2,520 Masenko 2,800 Nappa...

For Goku to be proclaimed as the strongest at the EoZ, the following logic would ensue. 1. Base Goku being around Good Buu/Kid Buu level makes him the strongest fighter in the world. That would mean... Base Goku > Base Gotenks It seems likely that Gohan has weakened as well, but it would be...

Never thought of it, but we have a good parallel here. Vegeta is stupidly damaged, but is still able to fight off Yajirobe, Krillen, and Gohan. We can do some calculations to see just what percentage he is to be able to pull that off and apply it to Piccolo. Where is Kami in this analogy...

Yajirobe 800 Chaozu 1,000 Saibamen 1,200 Gohan 1,250 Yamcha 1,350 Krillen 1,500 Tien...

Actually, this is my first time watching Z from the beginning straight through. Z is far, far superior to Kai and it's not even close. I was super impressed with the Raditz Saga, it moved beautifully, no delays or anything. The Snake Way filler was starting to get to me a little, but you know...

Ok let's start with some power chains. Nappa (vs Dragon Team) >=Masenko > Kikoho > Enraged Gohan > Piccolo Piccolo > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha > Saibamen >= Raditz Now there's the whole discussion of Goku's power level vs Nappa. I think someone mentioned that Krillen made a statement implying...

I think there's going to have to be a cap on how strong this attack can be. 5x seems to be a good place. Goku walks away from the Final Explosion the same way Reecome did from Final Crash. Singed, a bit of cosmetic damage, but largely unharmed. Final Explosion 500 Super Saiyan 3...

Ok I’ve come to a resolution, I think I got it figured out. I got everything I wanted, the buff amp is bigger than I’d like but it was unavoidable. SSJ Goku Androids 150 Ssj Goku Rosat 200 Piccolo 250 Light Grenade 375 Grade 2 Goku 500 Imperfect Cell 750 Android 16 750 Ssj Trunks 1,900 Ssj...

If Super Saiyan 2 is a 4-5x boost, do you think Super Saiyan 3 should still be double it? I think there’s significant evidence to suggest that the one thing the SEG got right was that Super Saiyan 3 was double Super Saiyan 2. It feels like it should be dramatically superior and Super seems to...

Goku 5,000 Kid Gohan 4,500 Vegeta 4,000 Teen Gohan 3,000 Goku (CG) 3,000 New Estimated Saiyans...