Hybrid Anime/Manga/Movies DBS scaling

GreatSaiyaman123

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There's this really big debate on what's really canon about DBS and the simple answer is "everything", but it's a little bit more complicated than that. Toriyama isn't directly involved with either series beyond basic directions, and only writes the full script for movies. So in a way, this thread is both a "What really is DBS in Toriyama's head?" and the scaling for it.

Battle of Gods
(Following the movie as we know it.)

Goku: 1
~ SSJ: 50
~ SSJ2: 200
~ SSJ3: 1,000

Ultimate Gohan: 900
SSJ Gotenks: 30

SSJ2 Vegeta: 200
~ Enraged: 20,000

Vegetto (Hypotehtical): 5,000
~ SSJ3: 5,000,000

(In the Boo Saga, I have Base Vegetto 5x SSJ3 Goku. Fusion may not be a set multiplier, but naturally Goku would expect a similar boost)

SSJ Goku (Fake ritual): 500
~ SSJG (80%): 8,000,000

Goku (Post SSJG): 400,000
~ SSJ: 2,000,000
~ SSJG (100%): 10,000,000

(Goku says he's only using 80% of SSJG's power before losing the form, and Beerus says his power didn't go down "all that much". Initially the idea was for SSJG to vanish entirely, but since it didn't I had to push Base and SSJ way down. A bit jarring in the context of the fight, but SSJG is clearly on a league of it's own when Goku reactivates it.)

Beerus (Not 70%): 12,500,000

(Actually he's at 1%.)

Revival of F
(Ditto.)

Goku/Vegeta: 500,000
~ SSJB: 25,000,000

(With the multipliers compressed (more on this in "DBS: Broly"), SSJB can be 50x and replace SSJ on that.)

Freeza (True form): 450,000
~ Golden form: 30,000,000

(Base Goku is clearly superior to Freeza, so I applied the same gap SSJ Goku had over 100% Freeza on Namek as a nod to that.)

(Everyone else is same as Boo Saga/BoG, but the script of the movie says Base Gohan > Piccolo and he's either his Z Sword self or his Boo Saga self. Probably Boo Saga or lower since he needs SSJ to beat Shisami, Piccolo's equal.)


Tournament of Destroyers
(Up to the final battle the events of this saga are the same in both versions, so Hit's the only one that needs some guesswork.)

Goku/Vegeta: 600,000
~ SSJ: 3,000,000
~ SSJG: 15,000,000 (Toyotaro's usage of the form may have inspired AT to bring it back for "Broly".)
~ SSJB: 30,000,000

Piccolo: 600,000

Botamo: 100,000

Frost: 265,000
~ Assault form: 600,000
~ True form: 2,000,000

Magetta: 3,000,000

Cabba: 600,000
~ SSJ: 3,000,000

Hit: 25,000,000

(Hit is a step below SSJB in both mediums, but even in the manga it's suggested he could've continued to fight Blue Goku, even if not as good as his anime self.
Personally, I like to imagine the fight went like it did on the anime, but instead of Goku going from SSJB to KK, he went from SSJG to Blue.)


Future Trunks Saga
(This is when it gets tricky. The basic plot is: Trunks comes back, Black and Zamasu kicks their arses in the future, Goku and Vegeta train in the present, come back and force Merged Zamasu, and Goku calls Zeno.)
On a non-scaling side, I'd say the manga version of the Boo Saga is the definitive one (It's on Xenoverse and the anime one is a nothing burger + Shin dying there explains why Black came to Trunks' timeline) + Goku never meeting present Zamasu and Shin carrying that side of the plot makes more sense overall.)


Future Trunks: 600,000
~ SSJ: 3,000,000
~ SSJ2: 3,750,000
~ SSJF: 37,500,000

(Although this form is anime-only, "Super Hero" validates its existence by showing hybrids can asspull their own god-like forms. Plus, an asspull is preferable to sidelining the main character of the saga. Btw, he's responsible for destroying Zamasu's body and birthing Infinite Zamasu in both versions, but the manga made more sense by having him attack a weakened Zamasu.)

Goku/Vegeta: 600,000
~ SSJ2: 3,750,000
~ SSJ3 (Goku only): 7,500,000
~ SSJB: 30,000,000

Goku Black: 9,375,000
~ SSJ: 18,750,000
~ SSJR: 37,500,000

(Base Black is said to be > SSJ3 Goku in both versions. Toriyama's draft said Black had both SSJ and SSJR and the Zenkais are a common point in both plots, so maybe SSJ Black gets beat up by Vegeta and unlocks SSJR as a Zenkai?
Also I don't think the notes specified it, but the manga was idiotic to NOT have Goku vs Black. That's the whole point of Goku Black! Not that it's relevant to the plot or scaling, but still.)


Future Zamasu: 3,750,000

Goku/Vegeta (Post training): 1,000,000
~ SSJG: 25,000,000
~ SSJB: 50,000,000

(Vegeta training in the Rosat is canon, so Goku must also have powered up from the Mafuba training somehow. SSJG added here because the bursts thing may have happened (and this was SSJG Vegeta's debut), though PSSJB doesn't exist in Toriyama's mind.)

Merged Zamasu: 75,000,000

(In Toriyama's notes, the Saiyans would hold their own with Zamasu and he'd only survive because of immortality. This sorta happens in the anime before he gets all purple (and in the manga thanks to PSSJB), so imagine something like that.)

Vegetto: 50,000,000
~ SSJB: 2,500,000,000

(Not in the original plan, but it ended up on both versions so it's canon. Manga made way more sense with the future scaling by having Vegetto curbstomp Zamasu.)

Tournament of Power
(Not worth going through details on this one since it's a big battle royale. Just think of whatever details they have in common: U9 is Boo Saga level and goes first, Ribrianne fights 18, humans do nothing; U6, U7 and U11 are the only relevant universes, Goku and Vegeta team up; Goku, Freeza and 17 are the last ones standing etc.)

Goku: 1,000,000
~ SSJ: 5,000,000
~ SSJ2: 6,250,000
~ SSJ3: 12,500,000
~ SSJG: 25,000,000
~ SSJB: 50,000,000
~ UIO: 500,000,000
~ MUI: 1,250,000,000

(UI only exists because Toei wanted a new form, but since it exists in both versions and Toriyama designed it, it has to be canon. UIO was made by Toei, but I'm willing to bet it's a thing too so unlocking UI won't be too easy. No idea how Goku unlocked it, but it sure as hell wasn't because of Roshi.)

Vegeta: 1,000,000
~ SSJ: 5,000,000
~ SSJB: 50,000,000

(Although SSJBE exists in both mediums, Toriyama has ignored it completely in the new movies. You can't have Vegeta having an extra form over Goku.)

Freeza: 5,000,000
~ Golden form: 50,000,000

(Base Freeza has SSJ-levels feat in both mediums: He fights SSJ Caulifla in the manga and forces Cabba to unlock SSJ2 in the anime.)

Gohan: 1,000,000
~ Ultimate: 40,000,000

Android 17: 40,000,000

(Both are portrayed as only somewhat below SSJB Goku.)

Piccolo: 1,000,000
Android 18 and humans: Same as aways

(Piccolo is consistently portrayed as base level, and the rest of the team has no special feats or moments. It's implied Toriyama wanted Roshi to do something special, but the anime had it perfecty with him almost dying to beat fodder and making Goku cry.)

Cabba: 900,000
~ SSJ: 4,500,000
~ SSJ2: 5,625,000

Caulifla: 1,000,000
~ SSJ: 5,000,000
~ SSJ2: 6,250,000

Kale: 2,000,000
~ SSJ: 10,000,000
~ LSSJ: 40,000,000

(Toei made Kale as a Broly-copy, and she has SSJB-tier feats in both stories. Toriyama made Caulifla to go along with her, and he acknowledges Kefla in a "DBS: Broly" flashback. She's probably ~ Goku like in the anime.

Kefla: 10,000,000
~ SSJ: 50,000,000
~ SSJ2: 500,000,000

(Anime SSJ Kefla matches Goku's strongest power (KKx20 there, just SSJB here) and Manga Kefla ties with Gohan, who's just behind Goku. She's a much better foe for Goku than for Gohan, so I'm vaguely going with the anime here and giving her a SSJ2 form that matches UIO Goku. It's a massive boost, but that's because of her bottomless LSSJ potential.

Hit: 50,000,000

(The rest of U6 is same as before, and I'm not sure how strong the Namekians are. Toriyama didn't give any specific instructions about them, and it's possible he didn't even design them)

Dyspo: 5,000,000
Toppo: 50,000,000

Jiren: 50,000,000
~ Fighting: 500,000,000
~ Full power: 1,250,000,000

(Manga Dyspo's best feat is beating SSJ2 Goku, and Anime Dyspo is weaker than Base Freeza. Toppo is Toppo. Taking "Super Hero" into account, Jiren has some sort of Kaioken-ish fighting style to fight in bursts.

GoDs: Around 1,250,000,000

(They're more or less all the same, and tied with UI Goku, Jiren and LSSJ Broly.)

Broly

Goku/Vegeta: 1,000,000
~ SSJ: 5,000,000
~ SSJG: 25,000,000
~ SSJB: 50,000,000

Broly: 5,000,000
~ Ikari: 50,000,000
~ SSJ: 250,000,000
~ LSSJ: 1,250,000,000

(Just by unlocking Oozaru power, Broly goes from just above SSJ level to just below SSJB level, but I made all the levels equals for simplicity's sake. Point is, a 10x boost takes you from SSJ to SSJB in this movie.

Gogeta: 50,000,000
~ SSJ: 250,000,000
~ SSJB: 2,500,000,000

Super Hero

Gammas: 37,500,000 each

(Said to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta, but they're on the lower end since even Gohan has the upperhand on Gamma 1. It's like how Goku compared Cell to Dabra, even though Dabra is just on pair with Suppressed Cell.)

Piccolo: 1,400,000
~ Ultimate: 35,000,000
~ Orange form: 75,000,000

(On pair with Goku and Vegeta according to word of god, which supercedes the script itself.)

Gohan: 1,000,000
~ SSJ: 5,000,000
~ Ultimate: 40,000,000
~ Beast form: 1,000,000,000

(Toriyama didn't say Gohan is the strongest, he merely acknowledged that fans perceive him as such. Still, it's Gohan, so I think he can be closing on Broly).

Cell MAX: 500,000,000
~ Weakened: 100,000,000
~ Complete (Unseen): 1,500,000,000

Goku/Vegeta: 1,500,000
~ SSJB (Unseen): 75,000,000

(Being a few years after, I think it's fair to say Goku and Vegeta have gotten stronger. It's the only way to explain how both Orange Piccolo and Gamma 2 are comparable to them.
 
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The gap between SSJG and the regular Super Saiyan forms should be higher. SSJG Goku was still treated as being in another world in his fight with Toppo.
 

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Broly: 5,000,000
~ Ikari: 50,000,000
~ SSJ: 250,000,000
~ LSSJ: 1,250,000,000,000

(Just by unlocking Oozaru power, Broly goes from just above SSJ level to just below SSJB level, but I made all the levels equals for simplicity's sake. Point is, a 10x boost takes you from SSJ to SSJG in this movie.

Gogeta: 50,000,000
~ SSJ: 250,000,000
~ SSJB: 2,500,000,000
Gogeta is weaker than Broly in SSJB in this list.

Aside from that, the only thing in which I disagree is Base Goku vs Freeza as Goku said that he realized he can't defeat Freeza if continuing fighting, so I think Base Freeza should be Base Goku level, as well as Goku & Vegeta being stronger in Super Hero than DBS: Broly, there are no feats, statements, comparatives with Broly or anything to make them stronger.
 
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The gap between SSJG and the regular Super Saiyan forms should be higher. SSJG Goku was still treated as being in another world in his fight with Toppo.

That's only happened in the manga. The Broly movie suggests the gap is small because of Ikari.

Gogeta is weaker than Broly in SSJB in this list.

Aside from that, the only thing in which I disagree is Base Goku vs Freeza as Goku said that he realized he can't defeat Freeza if continuing fighting, so I think Base Freeza should be Base Goku level, as well as Goku & Vegeta being stronger in Super Hero than DBS: Broly, there are no feats, statements, comparatives with Broly or anything to make them stronger.

Thanks, I'll fix that.

Wasn't that only in the anime? In the movie Goku has a clear upperhand over Freeza and the fight is much shorter. The anime makes the fight more even and drags it out.

I agree about Goku & Vegeta in Super Hero, specially because Toriyama doesn't seem to think Goku and Vegeta improve much after RoF outside of transformations. But it's the easiest way I found of explaining how both the Gammas and Orange Piccolo are on pair with Goku.
 
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