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I haven't changed my mind when it comes to Cooler, and that's why I left here the list I have:
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Movie 8
Goku = 96.46
SSJ = 4,823
Kamehameha = 12,057.5
Energy received = 4,823,000
(Koyama has said that Broly lost due to plot, but he also has said that his word can't outright TOEI's and they brought a guide having Goku a 1000x increase from the energy he received)
Vegeta = 27.07
Grade 2 = 2,436.3
Gohan 4 46.305
SSJ = 2,315.05
Trunks = 25.725
Grade 2 = 2,315.25
(Gohan being = to Trunks seems fine to me, as they were grouped when firing the Masenko and in the Hatchiyack OVA, Gohan and Trunks are shown at the same time getting stomped by him, they're less relevant than Vegeta whose energy bring the victory to the table and Vegeta is shown still standing unlike the other 3)
SSJ Broly = 7,812
LSSJ Broly = 25,000
Movie 9
Gohan = 560
SSJ = 28,000
SSJ2 = 84,000
Trunks = 184.8
SSJ = 9,240
Vegeta = 184.8
SSJ = 9,240
(Vegeta is noted to have gotten weaker and nothing supports Trunks being ahead, Vegeta is used as a benchmark at the end of the movie, Piccolo could be his pre retconed self, but nothing implies his placement at all)
Bojack 28,000
FP Bojack 50,400
(Base Bojack is implied to be able to compete with SSJ Gohan and Gohan appreciate his power twice, while he didn't think much of Goku's FP during the CG, nothing implies Gohan has gotten weaker ot stronger and Bojack could survive to get hit in the chest and can clash attacks with Gohan)
Movie 10
Goten 240
SSJ 12,000
Trunks 250
SSJ 12,500
Gohan 400
SSJ 20,000
SSJ2 60,000
SSJ Broly 25,000
LSSJ Broly 80,000
(Nothing implies more than a 2x gap between Broly and the kids. Gohan's base doing that well is contradicted in the last beam struggle in which SSJ Goten proves to be above him. They also share the same scalling as their initial Buu Saga selves according to the anime)
Movie 12
Goku = 720
SSJ2 Goku = 108,000
SSJ3 Goku = 432,000
Vegeta = 600
SSJ2 Vegeta = 90,000
Janemba (vs Goku) = 453,600
Vs Vegeta = 135,000
Vs Gogeta = 648,000
SSJ Gogeta = 1,458,000
(Janemba is an alternate scenario/what if Goku & Vegeta had fought Super Buu, the most I can give to Janemba is being ahead of SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan's level seems to much for him, although I think he could defeat him, he wouldn't show that much superiority like Gogeta did, Gogeta is not going to be nerfed and it is actually a beast no matter how much headcanon you use)
My theory about Cooler's power
This is from a neutral position, not from an unreasonably wanked scalling neither to depower/downplay characters. I'll take these numbers as reference: https://dbzeta.net/threads/my-namek-saga-to-perfect-cell-arc-gaps.24955/ In the beginning of the movie, Goku is said to have gotten stronger...
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My Namek Saga to Perfect Cell arc gaps
Freeza saga: Goku – 1 Goku KKx10 – 10 Goku Kkx20 – 20 Kamehameha x20 – 20.5 Genkidama - 28.2 SSJ – 50 Freeza 50% - 23.5 Freeza 70% - 32.9 Freeza 100% - 47 History of Trunks (manga): Future Gohan - 1.5 SSJ – 75 Future Gohan (post zenkai) – 2 SSJ – 100 Future Android 17...
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Cell Games ~ Late Cell Arc Power Gaps
Continuing the gaps presented on this thread: https://dbzeta.net/threads/my-namek-saga-to-perfect-cell-arc-gaps.24955/ Although, I have to adjust some levels: Grade 3 Trunks = 5,788 Power Weighted Cell = 6,029 50% Goku = 8,400 Expected Fp Perfect Cell (Karin's guess) = 18,087 So, let's give...
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How would Buu Saga non fused Base Saiyans fare in the Cell Arc (My Opinion)
SSj Vegeta (Pre Rosat) - 237.5 Imperfect Cell (Pre) - 237.5 Goten - 240 Future Android 18 - 240 Trunks - 250 Future Android 17 - 250 Weighted Piccolo - 316.75 Android 18 - 355.68 Goten & Trunks (after training) - 355.68 Piccolo /Android 17- 370.5 Gohan - 400 Expected Goku (Vegeta's...
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My Majin Buu Saga numbers 2024
Goku = 600 SSJ = 30,000 SSJ2 (burst) = 78,750 SSJ2 = 90,000 SSJ3 (holding back) = 300,000 SSJ3 = 360,000 Vegeta = 500 SSJ = 25,000 SSJ2 = 75,000 Gohan = 400 SSJ = 20,000 SSJ2 = 60,000 Goten = 240 SSJ = 12,000 Kid Trunks = 250 SSJ = 12,500 Android 18 = 355.68 Piccolo = 393.75 Dabura (Goku...
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Movie 8
Goku = 96.46
SSJ = 4,823
Kamehameha = 12,057.5
Energy received = 4,823,000
(Koyama has said that Broly lost due to plot, but he also has said that his word can't outright TOEI's and they brought a guide having Goku a 1000x increase from the energy he received)
Vegeta = 27.07
Grade 2 = 2,436.3
Gohan 4 46.305
SSJ = 2,315.05
Trunks = 25.725
Grade 2 = 2,315.25
(Gohan being = to Trunks seems fine to me, as they were grouped when firing the Masenko and in the Hatchiyack OVA, Gohan and Trunks are shown at the same time getting stomped by him, they're less relevant than Vegeta whose energy bring the victory to the table and Vegeta is shown still standing unlike the other 3)
SSJ Broly = 7,812
LSSJ Broly = 25,000
Movie 9
Gohan = 560
SSJ = 28,000
SSJ2 = 84,000
Trunks = 184.8
SSJ = 9,240
Vegeta = 184.8
SSJ = 9,240
(Vegeta is noted to have gotten weaker and nothing supports Trunks being ahead, Vegeta is used as a benchmark at the end of the movie, Piccolo could be his pre retconed self, but nothing implies his placement at all)
Bojack 28,000
FP Bojack 50,400
(Base Bojack is implied to be able to compete with SSJ Gohan and Gohan appreciate his power twice, while he didn't think much of Goku's FP during the CG, nothing implies Gohan has gotten weaker ot stronger and Bojack could survive to get hit in the chest and can clash attacks with Gohan)
Movie 10
Goten 240
SSJ 12,000
Trunks 250
SSJ 12,500
Gohan 400
SSJ 20,000
SSJ2 60,000
SSJ Broly 25,000
LSSJ Broly 80,000
(Nothing implies more than a 2x gap between Broly and the kids. Gohan's base doing that well is contradicted in the last beam struggle in which SSJ Goten proves to be above him. They also share the same scalling as their initial Buu Saga selves according to the anime)
Movie 12
Goku = 720
SSJ2 Goku = 108,000
SSJ3 Goku = 432,000
Vegeta = 600
SSJ2 Vegeta = 90,000
Janemba (vs Goku) = 453,600
Vs Vegeta = 135,000
Vs Gogeta = 648,000
SSJ Gogeta = 1,458,000
(Janemba is an alternate scenario/what if Goku & Vegeta had fought Super Buu, the most I can give to Janemba is being ahead of SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan's level seems to much for him, although I think he could defeat him, he wouldn't show that much superiority like Gogeta did, Gogeta is not going to be nerfed and it is actually a beast no matter how much headcanon you use)
