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Reference images: Do you think this could be because Android 17's speed is implied to be an anomaly? Chapter: 373 (DBZ 179), P4.2 No.16: “Wh-what speed.” Chapter: 373 (DBZ 179), P5.4, P6.1, P8.3 Cell: “Even I’m surprised at this magnificent speed…Obviously this is thanks to absorbing No.17…I...

Who wins? In power I think there's too much of an advantage for Trunks, but his poison can still affect him. How would have Trunks fared had he been in the Zen Exhibition Match as opposed to Gohan?

From the time before of his fight with Imperfect Cell, we have the following: *Android 17 says that according to his data, he is stronger than him *Android 18 offers him to test in a fight with Vegeta (although she lacks of knowledge of Vegeta's strength) *Android 17 wants him to help if the...

Gohan says this: "I think both my father and Vegeta are fighting, both at a level that surpass Super Saiyan. The energy they're expelling must be enormous." So, basically Gohan thinks that because Goku and Vegeta are fighting at a level beyond SSJ is because they were able to fulfill the kili...

I am starting to think that the Hidden power of Jiren would serve the same way Grade 2 served on the Saiyans (aka same increase), so that's what I'm willing to have: UI Goku = 100 Jiren = 110 MUI Goku (initial) = 176 Hidden power Jiren = 200 MUI Goku (Speed up) = 200 MUI Goku (After Jiren...

At least I have: SSJ Vegeta/Trunks: 66 50% SSJ Gohan: 70 SSJ Goku: 100 SSJ Gohan: 140

What do you think?

I have Gohan at 75% of Toppo. Do you think the Kamehameha was barely amped if at all? Or that this scene simply makes no sense?

Your thoughts?

This is Jiren from 109 - 110, even though the scene is from Base Vegeta, we have seen how characters in inferior forms or suppressed state can watch and perceive things such as Gohan considering Goku and Cell fight not that much impressive or Vegeta himself with Dabura and Gohan. What do you...

Is there any in-universe explanation?

From the Buu Saga and above, how are your takes on this? Do you believe it refers to SSJ in general terms or just the simple SSJ we all know? For example: In the Buu Saga, Old Kaioshin talk about the stress SSJ produces to the body, and Goku asked if it's not better to transform into SSJ...

For example: Example A: Someone sees a character lost badly and they thought they could beat that someone. Then it is proven wrong, but for that to be right they would be thinking they're stronger than that character or at least can rival to an extent Example B: Someone sees a character lost...

We have the definitive scalling between these sections according to the story: Androids saga: SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Goku > SSJ Trunks > Piccolo Cell Games: SSJ Goku > SSJ Vegeta = SSJ Trunks (there's no distinction in the Cell Games as Cell consider them secundary options to fight after Goku gave...

I haven't changed my mind when it comes to Cooler, and that's why I left here the list I have: https://dbzeta.net/threads/my-theory-about-coolers-power.24971/ This is also based on this lists: https://dbzeta.net/threads/my-namek-saga-to-perfect-cell-arc-gaps.24955/...

Goku = 600 SSJ = 30,000 SSJ2 (burst) = 78,750 SSJ2 = 90,000 SSJ3 (holding back) = 300,000 SSJ3 = 360,000 Vegeta = 500 SSJ = 25,000 SSJ2 = 75,000 Gohan = 400 SSJ = 20,000 SSJ2 = 60,000 Goten = 240 SSJ = 12,000 Kid Trunks = 250 SSJ = 12,500 Android 18 = 355.68 Piccolo = 393.75 Dabura (Goku...

Movie 8 Broly Goku = 4,823 Kamehameha = 12,057 Broly = 25,000 Hatchiyack OVA Vegeta = 11,200 Final Flash = 27,191 Hatchiyack = 50,400

Which gap is bigger?

Let's assume that is Perfect Cell the one that killed Trunks, how things would have gone for him? Cell had to prepare himself and is visibly shown struggling to do that in order to receive those attacks: Gohan despite of knowing that Cell has gotten stronger was amazed that it left zero...

Android 17 is clearly the exception as his power never drop. But what about Freeza, Cell or Vegetto? 100% Freeza had a poor stamina, yet he is able to make one and his power doesn't decrease until the end of the fight. Cell's power is never stated to have decrease post regeneration and nobody...