Early Dragonball List

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Wolf Fang Fist 1.16x
Wolf Fang Fist V2 1.22x
Original Kamehameha 1.33x
Super Kamehameha 1.5x
Great Ape 10x
Super Saiyan 50x
Grade 2 100x
Super Saiyan 2 200x
Legendary Super Saiyan 200x
Grade 3 250x
Super Saiyan 3 1,000x


Scouter Influenced List




Bardock-Father of Goku​



Baby Kakarrot .002
Freeza's Soldiers 500
Selypa 1,100
Totapo 1,200
Pumbukin 1,250
Toma 1,400
Bardock 1,500
Saibamen (Strength Enhanced) 1,600
Freeza's Elite Soldiers 2,000
Bardock (Zenkai) 3,000
Nappa 6,000
King Vegeta 10,000
Prince Vegeta 10,500
Oozaru Selypa 11,000
Oozaru Totapo 12,000
Oozaru Pumbukin 12,500
Oozaru Toma 14,000
Oozaru Bardock 15,000
Dodoria 19,500
Zarbon 21,000
Freeza 425,000



Master Roshi Saga


Puar .001
Oolong .002
Bulma .003
Pterodactyl .015
Bear Bandit .020
Krillin .030
Goku W/o Tail .040
Yamcha .045
Goku W/Tail .050
Gyumao .100
Master Roshi .150
Power Weighted Roshi .300
Power Weighted Roshi's Kamehameha .400
Great Ape Goku .500



21st Budokai


Orin Temple Bullies .040
Yamcha .060
Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist .070
Bacterian .070
Krillin (Initial) .075
Jackie Chun (Initial) .080
Giran .090
Krillin (Full Power) .100
Jackie Chun (Powered Up) .100
Goku (W/o Tail) .120
Namu .140
Jackie Chun (Full Power) .150
Goku (W/Tail) .150
Goku/Chun's Kamehameha .200
Jackie Chun (Power Weighted) 1.000
Great Ape Goku 1.500
Jackie Chun's (Power Weighted) Kamehameha 2.000



Red Ribbon Army



Colonel Silver .075
Ninja Murasaki .100
Pirate Robot .120
Bora .125
General Blue .135
Sergeant Metallic .150
Goku (Muscle Tower) .160
Staff Officer Black .175
Goku (Zenkai) .180
Android #8 .225
Goku's Kamehameha .240
Tao Pai Pai (Initial) .270
Tao Pai Pai (Full Power) .330
Goku (Post Korin Trained) .375
Korin .450


Baba's Tournament


Dracula Man .040
Invisible Man .050
Yamcha .060
Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist .070
Krillin .100
Mummy .160
Goku (Initial) .240
Devil Man .250
Goku (Powered Up) .275
Gohan .360
Goku (Full Power) .375



22nd Budokai


Andre the Giant .015
Panputto .200
King Chappa .400
Chaozu .450
Yamcha .450
Tien (Initial) .450
Krillin .475
Goku (Initial) .500
Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist (2.0) .550
Tien (Power Up 1) .575
Yamcha's Kamehameha .600
Goku (Powered Up) .675
Jackie Chun (Initial) .675
Tien (Power Up 2) .675
Tsuru .750
Jackie Chun (Powered Up) .800
Tien (Power Up 3) .800
Jackie Chun (Full Power, Unseen) 1.000
Tien (Power Up 4) 1.100
Goku (Match Level) 1.100
Tien (Full Power) 1.500
Goku (Battle Level) 1.500
Tien's Kikoho 3.000


King Piccolo Saga


Krillin .475
Cymbal .800
Goku (Fatigued) 1.000
Tambourine 1.200
Yajirobe 1.250
Goku (Holding Back) 1.350
King Piccolo 1.700
Goku (Zenkai) 1.800
Goku's Kamehameha 2.400
Goku (Zenkai) 2.750
King Piccolo (Less than Half Power) 5.000
King Piccolo (Full Power, Unseen) 12.500


King Piccolo Saga (Flashback)


Student Tsuru 1.500
Student Roshi 1.500
Master Mutaito 1.750
King Piccolo (Young) 25.000


King Piccolo Saga Part 2


Tien 1.500
Drum 2.500
Shenron 15.000
King Piccolo (Young, Initial) 25.000
Goku (Sacred Water, Initial) 27.500
King Piccolo (Full Power) 37.500
Goku (Full Power) 37.500



Meeting God


Goku (Fatigued) 30.000
Goku (Zenkai) 45.000
Popo 75.000
Kami 150.000



23rd Budokai


King Chappa .750
Chichi 10
Yajirobe 12.5
Chaozu 15
Tao Pai Pai (Cyborg) 22.5
Yamcha 26
Krillin 27.5
Piccolo Jr. (Initial) 30
Piccolo Jr. (Powered Up) 37.5
Shen 37.5
Goku/Tien Speed 37.5
Goku/Tien Power 45
Tien (Speed Up/Power) 45
Goku (W/o Weights, Initial) 60
Shen (Full Power) 125
Kami 150
Piccolo Jr. (Power Up 2) 175
Goku (Powered Up) 175
Piccolo Jr. (Damaged) 180
Piccolo Jr. (Full Power) 300
Goku (Full Power) 300
Goku's Super Kamehameha 450



Saiyan Saga Part 1​


Farmer .005
Yamcha 45
Krillen 50
Tien 70
Popo 75
Kami 150
Piccolo (W/Weights) 400
Goku (W/Weights) 400
Piccolo (W/o Weights) 600
Goku (W/o Weights) 600
Raditz (Initial) 800
Goku's Kamehameha 1,000
Raditz (Powered Up) 1,000
Raditz (Full Power) 1,250
Gohan (Enraged) 1,400
Special Beam Cannon 1,500
Great Ape Gohan 2,000
King Yemma 2,500
King Kai 3,500



Saiyan Saga Part 2​


Yajirobe 800
Chaozu 1,000
Saibamen 1,200
Gohan 1,250
Yamcha 1,350
Krillen 1,500
Tien 1,600
Piccolo 2,000
Gohan (Enraged) 2,250
Tien's Kikoho 2,500
Gohan's Masenko 2,800
Nappa (Initial) 3,000
Goku (Initial) 4,500
Nappa (Powered Up) 4,500
Nappa (Full Power) 7,000
Goku (Full Power) 7,000
Goku Kaio-Ken 10,500
Vegeta (Initial) 12,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x2 14,000
Vegeta (Full Power) 16,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x3 21,000
Goku KKx3 Kamehameha 28,000
Vegeta's Galick Gun 28,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x4 28,000
Goku KKx4 Kamehameha 35,000
Great Ape Vegeta 160,000




Namek Saga​


Freeza's Soldiers 500
Namekians (Suppressed) 1,000
Gohan 1,500
Krillen (W/Weights) 1,500
Krillen (W/o Weights) 1,750
Freeza's Elite Soldiers 2,000
Namekians (Full Power) 3,000
Vegeta (Suppressed) 12,000
Goku (Zenkai) 12,500
Cui 16,000
Dodoria 19,500
Zarbon 21,000
Vegeta (Full Power) 24,000
Zarbon (Monster) 28,500
Vegeta (Zenkai) 30,000



Ginyu Force Saga Part 1​


Krillen (Guru Power Up) 11,500
Gohan (Guru Power Up) 13,000
Vegeta 30,000
Reecome 40,000
Burter 40,000
Jeice 40,000
Nail 42,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) 45,000
Jeice's Crusher Ball 60,000
Goku (Ginyu Estimate) 60,000
Goku (Actual Level) 65,000
Captain Ginyu (Initial) 65,000
Goku (Powered Up) 75,000
Captain Ginyu (Powered Up) 75,000
Goku (Ginyu Estimates FP) 85,000
Goku (Full Power) 90,000
Captain Ginyu (Full Power, Unseen) 120,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x2 180,000



Ginyu Force Saga Part 2​


Captain Ginyu (In Goku) 23,000
Krillen (Guru Power Up Extended) 23,000
Gohan (Guru Power Up Extended) 26,000
Jeice 40,000
Vegeta (Zenkai Extended) 75,000



Freeza Saga Part 1​


Krillen (Guru Power Up Max) 250,000
Piccolo (W/Weights) 275,000
Gohan (Guru Power Up Max) 300,000
Piccolo (W/o Weights) 350,000
Freeza (Initial) 425,000
Vegeta (Zenkai Max) 475,000
Freeza (Full Power) 530,000
Kamiccolo (W/Weights) 550,000
Kamiccolo (W/o Weights) 700,000
Freeza (Transformed Estimate by Vegeta) 720,000




OtherWorld​

King Kai 3,500
Guldo 5,000
Chaozu 7,500
Reecome 40,000
Burter 40,000
Jeice 40,000
Yamcha 50,000
Tien 100,000




Freeza Saga Part 2​


Gohan 300,000
Gohan (Enraged) 900,000
Gohan (Zenkai) 1,000,000
Freeza (2nd Form Initial) 1,060,000
Freeza (2nd Form Powered Up) 1,350,000
Piccolo (W/Weights) 1,400,000
Freeza (2nd Form Full Power) 1,700,000
Piccolo (W/o Weights) 1,750,000
Gohan (Enraged) 1,800,000
Gohan Masenko 2,400,000
Freeza (3rd Form) 2,500,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) 4,000,000
Freeza (True Form, Initial) 4,500,000
Goku (Initial) 5,750,000
Freeza (Powered Up) 6,000,000
Goku (Full Power) 7,500,000
Vegeta's Blast 8,000,000
Freeza (Max Initial Power) 8,750,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x10 75,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x20 150,000,000
Freeza (50%) 175,000,000
Goku KKx20 Kamehameha 200,000,000
Freeza (70%) 250,000,000
Freeza (100%) 350,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 375,000,000



Trunks Saga​



Yamcha 150,000
Tien 300,000
Krillen 500,000
Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 7,500,000
Vegeta 10,000,000
Trunks 12,000,000
Goku 15,000,000
King Cold 250,000,000
Mecha Freeza (Suppressed) 250,000,000
Mecha Freeza (Full Power, Unseen) 400,000,000
SSJ Trunks (Holding Back vs Goku) 500,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 600,000,000
SSJ Goku (Trunks' Expectations) 700,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 750,000,000



Cooler's Revenge​


Yamcha 150,000
Tien 300,000
Krillen 500,000
Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 7,500,000
Vegeta 10,000,000
Cooler (Initial) 14,000,000
Goku 15,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x10 150,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x20 300,000,000
Cooler (Full Power, Unseen) 300,000,000
Goku KKx20 Kamehameha 400,000,000
Cooler (Transformed) 600,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 750,000,000
Cooler's Supernova 900,000,000
SSJ Goku Kamehameha 1,250,000,000




Future Saga Part 1​

Yamcha 150,000
Tien 450,000
Krillen 500,000
Gohan 1,000,000
Vegeta 7,000,000
Piccolo 300,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 350,000,000
Android 18 450,000,000
Android 17 450,000,000



Future Saga Part 2​


Gohan 8,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 400,000,000
Android 18 450,000,000
Android 17 450,000,000



Future Saga Part 3​

Gohan 11,000,000
Trunks 12,000,000
Android 18 (Suppressed) 450,000,000
Android 17 (Suppressed) 450,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 550,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 600,000,000
Android 18 1,500,000,000
Android 17 1,500,000,000


The Return of Cooler​


Vegeta 30,000,000
Goku 30,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x10 300,000,000
Goku Kaio-Ken x20 600,000,000
Piccolo 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 1,500,000,000
Metal Cooler (Initial) 1,500,000,000
Metal Cooler (Regen 1) 2,500,000,000
Metal Cooler (Regen 2) 3,000,000,000



Androids Saga​


Yamcha 3,000,000
Tien 4,500,000
Krillen 5,000,000
Gohan 12,500,000
Piccolo (Suppressed) 22,500,000
Trunks 27,000,000
Goku 29,000,000
Vegeta 30,000,000
Android 19 700,000,000
Android 20 750,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Sicker) 850,000,000
Android 20 (Post Absorption) 950,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Sick) 1,000,000,000
Android 19 (Post Absorption) 1,000,000,000
Piccolo (W/Weights) 1,000,000,000
Piccolo (W/o Weights) 1,125,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 1,300,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 1,450,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,500,000,000
Android 18 2,000,000,000
Android 17 2,250,000,000




Super Android 13​


Trunks 27,000,000
Vegeta 30,000,000
Goku 30,000,000
Android 14 1,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 1,300,000,000
Android 15 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 1,500,000,000
Android 13 1,750,000,000
Piccolo (W/Weights) 2,000,000,000
Piccolo (W/o Weights) 2,250,000,000
Piccolo Light Grenade 4,500,000,000
Super Android 13 4,500,000,000



Cell Saga​


Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,500,000,000
Imperfect Cell 1,750,000,000
Piccolo (Fatigued) 1,750,000,000
Android 18 2,000,000,000
Piccolo (W/Weights) 2,000,000,000
Android 17 2,250,000,000
Piccolo (W/o Weights) 2,250,000,000
Piccolo's Light Grenade 3,500,000,000
Android 16 6,500,000,000
Imperfect Cell (Post Absorption) 6,750,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell 13,000,000,000


Room of Spirit and Time​


Goku 65,000,000
Trunks 240,000,000
Vegeta 250,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 3,250,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Goku 6,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 12,500,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial) 13,000,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 Goku 16,250,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power) 17,500,000,000
Perfect Cell (Fake Ki) 22,500,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Trunks 24,000,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta 25,000,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 Trunks (Initial) 45,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Actual) 50,000,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 Trunks (Full Power) 60,000,000,000
Power Weighted Cell 62,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (50%) 75,000,000,000
Vegeta Final Flash 75,000,000,000



The Legendary Super Saiyan​


Trunks 240,000,000
Vegeta 250,000,000
Gohan 450,000,000
Goku 550,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 12,500,000,000
Piccolo 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 22,500,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Trunks 24,000,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 27,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Broly (Restricted, Initial) 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Broly (Restricted) 60,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Broly (Full Power) 75,000,000,000
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly 300,000,000,000



Hatchiyak​


Trunks 240,000,000
Vegeta 250,000,000
Gohan 450,000,000
Goku 550,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 12,500,000,000
Piccolo 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 22,500,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Trunks 24,000,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 27,500,000,000
Hatchiyak 350,000,000,000




The Cell Game​


Trunks 2,000,000,000
Vegeta 2,050,000,000
Goku 3,000,000,000
Gohan 4,000,000,000
Android 16 6,000,000,000
Piccolo 75,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 102,500,000,000
Cell Juniors 105,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 150,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Powered Up) 167,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 200,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Powered Up Further) 200,000,000,000
SSJ Vegeta's Blast 250,000,000,000
SSJ Goku Kamehameha 375,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan (Injured) 400,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Full Power) 500,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Power Weighted) 750,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell 850,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Enraged) 900,000,000,000
PC's Kamehameha 1,250,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha 1,500,000,000,000
SPC Kamehameha 2,125,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha 2,250,000,000,000




Bojack Unbound

Trunks 2,000,000,000
Vegeta 2,050,000,000
Gohan 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 100,000,00,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 102,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 200,000,000,000
Bojack 225,000,000,000
Bojack (Transformed) 450,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Enraged) 900,000,000,000



Free the Future Part 1​


Trunks 2,000,000,000
Android 18 2,000,000,000
Android 17 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 100,000,000,000



Free the Future Part 2​


Trunks 2,500,000,000
Imperfect Cell 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 125,000,000,000




OtherWorld​


King Cold 250,000,000
Cooler 300,000,000
Freeza 350,000,000
Goku 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 150,000,000,000
Pikkon 250,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell 850,000,000,000
Pikkon's Burning Shoot 1,250,000,000,000




OtherWorld Tournament​


Olibu 4,500,000,000
Pikkon (Suppressed) 4,500,000,000
Goku 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 225,000,000,000
Pikkon (Full Power) 250,000,000,000




Broly-Second Coming​


Gohan 3,000,000,000
Vegeta 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Broly 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 600,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 800,000,000,000
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly 1,200,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha 1,500,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta Final Flash 2,400,000,000,000




Badibi Saga​


Kibito 1,500,000,000
Android 18 2,000,000,000
Goten 2,000,000,000
Trunks 2,100,000,000
Gohan 3,000,000,000
Vegeta 4,000,000,000
Majin Yakkon 4,500,000,000
Goku 5,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 105,000,000,000
Supreme Kai 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta 250,000,000,000
Majin Dabura (Goku Estimate) 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 600,000,000,000
Majin Dabura 600,000,000,000
Majin Buu (Initial) 750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (True Power, Unseen) 900,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta 1,000,000,000,000
Majin Buu (Powered Up) 1,200,000,000,000
Majin Buu (Full Power) 3,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Holding Back) 3,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Actual Power) 5,000,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion 5,000,000,000,000




Majin Buu Saga


Goten 2,000,000,000
Trunks 2,100,000,000
Gohan (Post Zeta Sword) 10,000,000,000
Gotenks 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 105,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 500,000,000,000
Good Buu 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 2,000,000,000,000
Evil Buu 2,250,000,000,000
Fat Buu 3,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 5,000,000,000,000
Super Buu 8,750,000,000,000



Fusion Reborn​


Vegeta 5,000,000,000
Goku 6,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 300,000,000,000
Pikkon 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku 1,200,000,000,000
Pikkon (Burning Shoot) 1,500,000,000,000
Fat Janemba 4,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 6,000,000,000,000
Super Janemba (Initial) 6,000,000,000,000






Room of Spirit and Time​


Goten 3,000,000,000
Trunks 3,100,000,000
Piccolo 75,000,000,000
Gotenks 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 155,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 7,500,000,000,000
Super Buu (Initial) 8,750,000,000,000
Vegetto 20,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks 30,000,000,000,000
Super Buu (Full Power) 150,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks 150,000,000,000,000
Buff Buu 200,000,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan 225,000,000,000,000
Buutenks 300,000,000,000,000
Buuhan 375,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegetto 1,000,000,000,000,000




Supreme Kais of the Past​


East Supreme Kai 150,000,000,000
North Supreme Kai 1,500,000,000,000
West Supreme Kai 2,000,000,000,000
Grand Supreme Kai 3,000,000,000,000
Fat Buu 3,500,000,000,000
South Supreme Kai 4,500,000,000,000
Kid Buu 5,000,000,000,000
Buff Buu 200,000,000,000,000



Kid Buu Saga​


Vegeta 5,000,000,000
Goku 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 250,000,000,000
Kibito Kai 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku 1,000,000,000,000
Good Buu 3,500,000,000,000
Kid Buu 5,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 5,000,000,000,000




Battle Of Gods​


Vegeta 7,500,000,000
Goku 7,500,000,000
Gotenks 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 375,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 375,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku 1,500,000,000,000
Majin Buu 3,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta 7,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 7,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 7,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks 30,000,000,000,000
Vegetto 30,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks 150,000,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan 225,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegetto 1,500,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto 6,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto 30,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku 60,000,000,000,000,000
Beerus 100,000,000,000,000,000
Whis 150,000,000,000,000,000



Resurrection of Freeza​


Super Saiyan God Vegeta 80,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku 80,000,000,000,000,000
Golden Freeza 85,000,000,000,000,000
Beerus 100,000,000,000,000,000
Whis 150,000,000,000,000,000
 

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1. I think the difference between Wolf Fang and its improved version should be more distinguishable.
Place WFF at 1.1x, WFF2 at 1.2x and Yamcha's KHH at 1.33x

2. Goku (post 22nd TB)>Mutaito.

3. Initial Piccolo Jr> FP Young King Piccolo. Everybody believed that Krillin was fighting a stronger
version of Piccolo, before the latter did any power up.
 

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My point exactly. I might just put it at 1.15 because Goku did say his attacks hurt at the end (he let him hit him) but the fight wasn't even close.
 

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Tao did better against Goku then Goku did against Cell.

Withheld, you are probably right 1.1 to 1.2

No you are wrong about Initial Piccolo Jr. They don't know who he is. Goku is as fast as King Piccolo and no one is suggested to break the King Piccolo level until Tien.

Goku is ABOUT as strong as a human can get. It's subjective who's stronger. As long as they are close that's all that matters.
 

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21st Budokai:

I see nothing necessarily wrong. Maybe I'd lower a little no-tail Goku's advantage over Kuririn as Goku stated that if he could see Jackie's movements, Kuririn should be able to. Basically, Goku thinks Kuririn should perform what he is capable of. 110~112.5 would be better for my tastes. That'd also lower the gap tailess Goku has over Giran, which I think makes sense. Goku sure felt pain upon being hit by Giran's tail and seemed to whine a bit. Goku punching him in the gut had an effect, but not to the point of completely getting him out of the fight. A 80% gap should work.

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I like their levels. Whilst the levels for characters like the Pirate Robot and Sargeant Metallic is kinda still up in the air, I'd probably raise the Pirate Robot a little considering Goku resorted to a surprise attack using his Janken techinique iirc. But yeah, keeping him below Blue would be wise as Blue's attacks seemed to have more of an effect on Kuririn. Kuririn couldn't believe how good he was, whereas all he said to the Pirate Robot was that he was really strong, which Goku agrees.

Nothing to complain regarding the Uranai Baba sequence. Seems a pretty straightforward arc in regards to the gaps and we have already gone in depth about the power breakdowns in the past. Maybe, just mayeb I'd raise the gap Son Gohan has on Tao Pai Pai a little. While To could get in some shot and force Goku to be on the fight, to use effort, I'd say that both Goku and Gohan are on their own tier compared to Tao.

Rather decent levels for the 22nd Budokai. While we disagree on Chappa's placement in comparison to Kuririn and Yamcha, I won't get too much into that as we've discussed it before and you have your reasons. Although it's worth mentioning that Kame-Sen'nin says all three (which includes Kuririn and Yamcha) had a shot at winning the tournament, which to me implies they are above the level Goku used to tool Chappa. If they were below the level Goku used against Chappa, we know that Yamcha and Kuririn's confidence would have already dwindled, as Goku reveals he hasn't used anywhere near his full power. But yeah, won't get into that. I know that you take Yamcha's line of "didn't know someone could defeat Chappa this easily" as meaning such feat is beyond his possibilities.

Wow, you got Cymbal pretty strong. Close to 22nd Budokai Roshi. Any reason for that?

I agree with your 23rd Budokai levels in general. Although Yamcha and Kuririn were somewhat in the realm of 3 years ago Goku as that speed wasn't enough for them not to see that, they are obviously pretty impressed with such display. Yamcha is even wondering what's up with Ten for considering Goku slow. I also get the vibe that Goku and Tenshinhan were the 1st ones to showcase powers superior to that of Piccolo and Goku from three years ago. The fact that such is commented for their battle alone ought to imply that.

I like that you have Kami way beyond Piccolo, but when you do the weakened breakdown powers, the gap can be stretched even more. It's just amazing that a Piccolo who has lost so much power is still out of Kami's realm.

I'd even argue that Piccolo and Goku in their warm up are already far above Kami. Piccolo or Goku commented how their powers far surpasses Kami, yet Tenshinhan seems surprised at the idea of their initial exchange being just a warm up. I like to think that Piccolo and Goku's warm up is at the level Kami estimates Piccolo to be at when he comments that there's too big of a gap between their powers.

Overall, pretty nice job. Not much to correct and only some small nitipickings.
 

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1) I agree, Goku and Krillen at 21st seem to be implied to be close. Yet, Goku says, I can see him, you should, but Krillen gets speed blitzed. When I think about Jackie Chun or Namu vs W/o Tail Goku, I just have a hard time seeing him be so easily rolled over... I don't think Goku is intended to be that helpless here against them, hence his ability to see Chun's attack while Krillen is panicked...

2) I can agree with that... Gohan being say, 97% and Tao being 88% would probably be more realistic... Ah, how is this for a comparison...

Androids Saga Vegeta >= Goku > Trunks Perhaps something similar to that?

3) When Roshi says he thinks all three can win, I don't take that as a power statement. I don't think Roshi is technically allowed to witness these fights, his, along with the others expressions based on Chappa debunk this as nothing more than a master encouraging his students. Yamcha/Krillen both heavily doubt their chances against Goku and their fate is sealed essentially before they even get in there... Even Roshi doubts his own vastly improved ability... You act as if Roshi doesn't realize Krillen/Yamcha have no chance against Jackie Chun...

4) Cymbal... Child of Daimao, held his own against Yajirobe for a bit, it's tough to accurately place Yajirobe and Cymbal... Also, Korin. I think he's 1.1x the Goku who stole the water jug...

5) Now you are getting it. Tien (Speed Up) is the first showing of something that surpasses Daimao speed... No one seems to get on that and they inaccurately depict Initial Piccolo Jr to King Piccolo's power. But then that diminishes the big reveal in Tien's speed. Shen/Piccolo Jr Powered Up/ Tien/Goku should all be around that Daimao level... We see how easily Shen handles Yamcha and we see how easily Piccolo Jr handles Krillen on Daimao level. Nothing suggests that Tien/Goku would have had any harder of a time against the two of them...

6) Yeah, I'm going to look into your Piccolo Damaged Implications more now... I think you may be on to something...

As always, very high level showing ahill, always a pleasure to hear your critique...
 

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No you are wrong about Initial Piccolo Jr. They don't know who he is. Goku is as fast as King Piccolo and no one is suggested to break the King Piccolo level until Tien.

Goku had already recognized him by the time the fight Piccolo vs Krillin began. At that point, the reader was supposed to be given the impression that Krillin was going against the improved version of King Piccolo, without any power ups having been revealed yet.
 

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Of course Goku recognized him... Lol. But somehow Tien doesn't. Which is awfully silly...

No, that's conjecture. Nothing suggests Goku's Speed vs Tien is broken, until Tien. Even Piccolo states he is impressed by Goku vs Tien...

Go look at the timeline. No one surpasses Daimao until Tien...
 

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Of course Goku recognized him... Lol. But somehow Tien doesn't. Which is awfully silly...

No, that's conjecture. Nothing suggests Goku's Speed vs Tien is broken, until Tien. Even Piccolo states he is impressed by Goku vs Tien...

Go look at the timeline. No one surpasses Daimao until Tien...

So your argument is Piccolo being impressed? Weak argument.
 

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Yes, the overall narrative is that this is the first time we see the Great Demon King's power truly surpassed. Yamcha and Krillen think Goku's speed is incredible and can't believe Tien considers it slow. It's clear that no one has surpassed Goku's Weighted Speed until Tien does. That's the entire narrative...
 

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Do you think Goku was holding back in his little fight against Yajirobe, P?
 

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Goku was only said to surpass Karin well after that. Goku still thought Karin could teach him.

Goku (post-Zenkai) > (maybe even just >~) Karin > 22nd Tenkaichi-Budokai Goku
 

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If that's true, how did he manage to outmaneuver and keep up with Korin's speed? I don't buy it. Korin isn't all that great. He has no feats and Goku is just hoping there's some way.

Yeah Gokus gotta be holding back. Gokus showings against Tambourine and King Piccolo are shocking to Yajirobe. It's a messy sequence, but that's what I see.
 

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That's exactly what he did. He out-maneuvered him. Just once was able to catch him (by out-thinking him, not pure speed) & then tickled him until he let go.
 

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Goku's speed feats are insane. Korin is sweating bullets trying to avoid him. That just isn't possible unless Goku is around as fast as him...
 

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Yes, the overall narrative is that this is the first time we see the Great Demon King's power truly surpassed. Yamcha and Krillin think Goku's speed is incredible and can't believe Tien considers it slow. It's clear that no one has surpassed Goku's Weighted Speed until Tien does. That's the entire narrative...

Krillin and Yamcha do not surpass Goku's speed.
 

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@FeatsofPower check this out. This is probably the ultimate Part 1 list. Maybe the 23TB could use some adjustments, but that's it.

Making blast amps consistent between Part 1 and Z is the big problem here. We're already struggling with either part alone! Super KHH = 1.5x/1.66x already feels small, but for Vegeta it feels big. Vegeta having lesser amp than Goku and co. on Namek is the way to go.
 
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